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Friday, November 7, 2008

Psych/Folk Songwriter Alan Sheurman with Craig

 Psych/Folk Songwriter Alan Sherman with Craig

We’ll kick off the show with open lines Friday. Are you still reeling from Obama’s victory on Tuesday? Worried about GM? Give us a call (313-577-1019) or leave us a comment on the blog.

While some of Michigan’s most storied college sports teams are having a disastrous fall season, the Wayne State Warriors are on track for their best season in recent history. We’ll catch up with a Warriors head coach Paul Winters as the squad gets ready for their biggest game of the season against Grand Valley State.

It's the Post-Election Hangover Edition of the First Friday Film Forum with WDET reporter Rob St. Mary. He'll chat with Metro Times film critics Corey Hall and Jeff Meyers about some of the new political biographies hitting the big screen.

Local psych-folk rocker Alan Sheurman may be forever plagued by ‘hello mudda hello fadda’ jokes, but his delicate, hypnotic music is nothing to laugh at. His new album "Old patterns" was produced and engineered by Warren DeFever of His Name is Alive at the UFO Factory in Detroit. It will be available as a free download on his website on December 2nd. He’ll be performing live in Studio A.

All that, and the weekly events calendar with Detroit Today’s Amanda le Claire.

 

Listener Comments

In Defense of the Auto Industry:

Recently I have been hearing from the national media, including NPR, that the auto industry is having its current problems because it refused to “go green.,” or does not produce quality cars. This view is totally myopic.

It is not the auto industry’s fault the speculators falsely drove the price of oil to $144 per barrel using leveraged deals…

It is not the auto industry’s fault that the banking and insurance industry destroyed the credit market with criminal loans and credit default swaps….

It is not the Auto industries fault because it wants its employees to have health care …

It is not the auto industry’s fault the price of health care shot through the roof...

The media may not realize it, but QUALITY cost money…and the $1800 in per vehicle health care costs put the US auto industry at a disadvantage.

I have worked for a long time with the UAW. While in years past, the attitude of the UAW workers has been terrible- these problems have quickly evaporated. Everyone seems to be working together now …

Hopefully, people will realize that America can not survive selling by each other insurance on lawsuits and large cups of coffee… We need manufacturing.

Without inexpensive energy we will have no manufacturing in Michigan…It takes energy to make steel from dirt – it takes energy to make plastic from oil – it takes energy to make cars from steel -

If we tax carbon too high – the production jobs will go to where the carbon is cheap …. China

As much as it might not be politically correct to say … the laws of physics do not allow the use of alternative energy for car production. It is simply impossible to run an auto plant on solar or wind – can’t be done- the energy density simply is not there.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Oakland County Engineer
It is not the auto companies fault that the genera public loved them some big, gas-guzzling SUV's.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
It is the auto industry's fault that they refused to do anything but behave as thugs, offering little innovation and using patriotism as their only feature.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by John in Warrendale
It is the auto industry's fault that they had no vision of the long-term.. Everything mentioned by "Oakland County Engineer" has been short term problems that have made the industry go down the tubes faster than they would have otherwise.

Face it, without the big short-term problems, the auto industry would still be on a slow decline due to bad decision making, lack of foresight, and continual failures on the part of the unions to realize they are part of the problem by demanding so much. Im sorry, but someone with less than a high-school education working on the factory floor does not need a $75,000 salary.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Ryan in Waterford
Regarding the auto industry . . . I have heard and often wondered why the Federal Government turned it's back on the auto industry in the past 5 - 6 years?
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Paul in Rosedale Park
History repeats itself. We recently had a taste of expensive gas, just like the 1970's. Recently, American car companies tried jumping on the small car bandwagon. Once Americans start buying vehicles, watch consumers go back to larger vehicles with cheaper gas, yet again.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Dave in Detroit
Why REWARD the auto executives that helped drive the companies into this crisis (by allowing them to stay on) while destroying the jobs of 10's of thousands of those who were FORCED to do what they were told? It is a fact that the Detroit big 3, almost always, ignored their engineers advice, in favor of big - short term - profits. It is true, however, that investors and the public at large deserve much of the blame as well, for buying these products, but the executives need to suffer as well.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by George
The problem I've got with the US auto industry and the problems they are facing right now is this: They placed all their eggs in one basket. That basket was large gas guzzlers. For years and years you could not find a QUALITY US made car with good fuel economy. The only cars with good fuel economy were made cheaply. They were not made to last the way the gas guzzlers were.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Mike from Troy
George - "It is a fact that the Detroit big 3, almost always, ignored their engineers advice, in favor of big - short term - profits."

Wall Street and their credit rating drove the short term profit scenario. Look, it's come down to a capital management company, Cerberus, owning an auto company.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
For too long the auto companies were paying most of their workers too much for jobs that anyone could do. They felt it was their birthright because their unions stroked their egos and made them feel entitled to unusually high wages and lifetime benefits. I am somewhat glad to see the industry where it’s at today. I am not a bitter person as I do have several family members who are currently working in the automotive industry and I could be affected by further turmoil. I just hope these overpaid unskilled workers saved their money because rainy days are here.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Sinisa in Macomb
I suspect that people who could "not find a QUALITY US made car with good fuel economy" stopped looking a long time ago. I love my Pontiac Vibe and still get stopped and asked about it. Why would so many choose to pay more for the Vibe's Toyota counterpart?
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
The auto industry, and I am including the Big 3 and the transplants, missed the turn in the economy. In response to Oakland County Engineer the price of oil was driven up by an increase in world wide demand, speculation played a small part in the price increase. As the global economy has slowed demand for oil has dropped as has the price per barrel. The response from OPEC has been to decrease production in an attempt to keep prices high. The auto industry needs to produce cars for the future, the price of oil will only go back up and it will change the way the public drives and the demand for vehicles.

Overall the government has inacted policies that has driven manufacturing off shore, increasing regulations and not doing anything about the rising health care costs. The next nail in the coffin for American manufacturing will be the passage of the Employee Free Choice act which will take away the secert ballot election for union approval. Everyone should have a choice if they want to join a union and if the answer is no then the organizers should face retaliation from the company.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Jeff from Beverly Hills
It's kind of ironic that Gov. Granholm is now being asked to participate as one of Obama's 'economic experts'. This is all the more crazy given that Michigan is the country's economic basket case. Is Granholm there to show what 'not to do'? Also Granholm and her followers were those that fought the hardest AGAINST increasing C.A.F.E. standards (that would have actually helped Detroit progress). Why is Granholm now being politically rewarded for her economic and technical nearsightedness?
Friday, November 7, 2008 by George
The big three ignored the warning of the 1970's oil embargo. Oil is a finite resource. There is less of it every day, and every day there will be less than the day before. It will be all gone. And auto fuel is only one use of oil.
When Chrysler got bailed out back then, Iacocca took a one dollar salary until the company was turned around.
Blue collar productivity has grown every year for years, yet white collar productivity has been negative, at best. Meanwhile blue collar wages have not kept pace with cost of living, and white collar wages have been borderline-criminal. There's no way that working people, who have been told the free market must be preserved at the expense of them, are going to agree to corporate welfare for incompetent rich people. We should be getting controlling stock in return for any sizable bail-out. That should control the insane salaries, at least.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by John A. Ferry
Considering the relationship between the U.S. economy and the health of the auto industry, it only makes sense that the government have a stake in the industry. European countries, such as Germany, have a stake in their auto companies (Volkswagen, for example). The loss of so many jobs should any of the big three collapse would cost far more than would the proposed loans. I would be interested in hearing other opinions regarding the pros and cons of such government involvement.

In addition, it cannot be argued that the companies have done nothing to help their own plight. Chrysler, for example, is the leanest of the three, with each employee performing the jobs of approximately 5 employees of days gone by. If I remember correctly, at least 20,000 jobs have been cut in the last 1-2 years.



Friday, November 7, 2008 by Ann
Why the heck do people keep assuming that Obama is looking to Granholm as an economic advisor? There are plenty of economic luminaries on the transition team.

Gov. Granholm is participating "with" economic experts, not as one of Obama's economic experts. She is qualified to report on the effect on Michigan's economy as it relates to the auto industry crisis and the effect of the last administration's (lack of) relationship with the industrial and manufacturing sectors.

Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
I am by no means an expert of the auto industry. Personally, it seems difficult to deny the auto industry loans when the government bailed-out finance companies. Many people were against the bailout, but unfortunately it set precedence to give financial assistance to other companies and sectors. I'd say over all, any government bail is a bad thing; the government is broke as it is.

Capitalism is the system we have and in it, some people & companies will flurish while others will fail. Seems to me, by some companies failing, it makes room for others to enter the competition. Who's to say if one or more of the big three colapse, former employees couldn't combine their assets (intelectual & capital) and use their expertise to form a new, smaller, profitable car company?
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Dave in Detroit
"sin-eck-doe-key" emphasis on the second syllable
Friday, November 7, 2008 by wpfleischmann
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this Alan Shurman sounds a lot like one of the vocalists on the old School House Rock videos from ABC Saturday mornings?
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Peter
Most of the other people on Obama's economic advisory committee ARE experts. So, lets hope Granholm is there as an example of what bad leadership and policies can do (particularly her's) and what others should NOT do. While I hate EVERYTHING done by the Bush administration, only part of our problems, here in Michigan, can be blamed on Washington. We had 2-3 DECADES to prepare for the SECOND energy crisis which, now, even after gas prices have gone way down, put us in a 'death spiral' from which we may not emerge. The Governor left our economy on 'autopilot' during her first term. Granhom had 2-3 'good' years (in her first term) to formulate a series of plans (A, B, C, D, etc.) to help head off this catastrophe, but did little if anything (hoping for a big comeback for auto and other manufacturing in the state). For instance the film industry credits could have been put into effect in 2004 and expanded to other industries as well.

Hopefully the credit markets will come back on line and gas prices STAY low, otherwise I think one or more Detroit auto companies are doomed and we would be throwing good money after bad by bailing them out too. One thing for sure, they should be made to replace most of their management, if they take taxpayer money.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by George
I agree with you Dave.
The government has proven they are failures at business and have driven the country into eleven trillion dollars of debt. The heads of the big three are also business failures and are the last guys I want my tax dollars going to.
The government bailout is clearly a case of the blind leading the blind.
It is almost as if we are living a real life version of Ayn Rands Atlas Shrugged.
In that novel the government nationalizes private industries and the result is a total collapse of the entire country.
Both the government and auto companies need to focus on cutting cost and operating on a balanced budget not driving the country farther into debt.
Keep in mind the only reason we have economic problems is due to debt. It is the cause of the economic problems we have not the solution that business leaders and government officials are proposing.

For anyone looking to gain knowledge into the government actions that have brought us to the economic conditions that we or now facing, I recommend reading the works of writer and former presidential candidate Harry Browne.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Dave Brubeck
When even most business leaders are now looking to the goverment to help them out, provide them with business guidance, ethical boundaries and financing, proves that Ayn Rand and everything she advocated was WRONG! Unbounded, unrestricted, 'Super-Capitalism' has now been proven to be every bit as bad as communism was. The solution has to lie somewhere in between - maybe we need socialism + capitalism (like Europe)? They (and Canada) sure have a better health care system. anyway.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by george
Earlier this decade, 2003 or 2004 I believe it was, our collective personal debt exceeded our collective personal savings. It was at that point that foreign banks began to control if not own our economy as we became dependant on others to finance our expenditures. We collectively gave up control of our economy by choosing to owe more than we saved.

Imo, regarding the domestic auto industry... I don't believe that our government and Wall Street were anti-industry & manufacturing so much as they were not inclined to jeopardize relations those who held the purse strings, that is Japan and, more recently, China.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
George most business leaders do not want government intervention.
Ask anyone the runs a secure and profitable business.
The only business leaders that want government intervention are the failures and they are the minority.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Dave Brubeck
Considering the relationship between the U.S. economy and the health of the auto industry, it only makes sense that the government have a stake in the industry. European countries, such as Germany, have a stake in their auto companies (Volkswagen, for example). The loss of so many jobs should any of the big three collapse would cost far more than would the proposed loans. I would be interested in hearing other opinions regarding the pros and cons of such government involvement.

In addition, it cannot be argued that the companies have done nothing to help their own plight. Chrysler, for example, is the leanest of the three, with each employee performing the jobs of approximately 5 employees of days gone by. If I remember correctly, at least 20,000 jobs have been cut in the last 1-2 years.



Friday, November 7, 2008 by Ann
Dave-

The myth of 'unfettered capitalism' as the ideal to which all others should aspire, has been finally shattered by reality (regardless of whoever is most responsible). The lack of adequate checks and balances was ultimately to blame. It proved that, people allowed to pursue purely selfish interests, will do just that. It is precisely for this reason that the role of government is to ensure that the society, as a whole, progresses and that prosperity not only, occasionally, 'trickles down' to others, but generously 'flows down' to all its participants. That is the major philosophical failing of the Republican party and what probably cost them the election. Our having to bail out major corporations (and their greedy executives and investors, i.e. 'us' ) shows, beyond any doubt, that following the 'every man/women for themselves' model of behavior, doesn't turn out very well for society. Thank goodness, that we are finally going back to thinking about the 'collective good' and 'collective happiness' of people, rather than just the happiness of those who make it to the top (a lot of whom did so despite incompetence - i.e. Bush and many bank, housing, healthcare and auto executives). Now we are going to let them off the hook and in some cases even reward them.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by George
Ann-

I am all in favor of adopting some ideas from Europe, Canada and elsewhere. But if the government helps to underwrite or subsidize private companies, then it should be able to have a significant say (and responsibility) in how they operate. I only wish we already had a single payer or, at least, universal-coverage type of healthcare system - we'd cut our costs by half and people would be living longer.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by George
Bush's 2003 tax cuts for the wealthiest were sold as a means to job creation. Most people have given up on waiting for the trickle down economics to trickle down and are looking to other means to that end.

I have to wonder if Ayn Rand didn't roll over in her grave upon hearing her disciple, Alan Greenspan, reluctantly acknowledge his crucial role in the credit crisis and admit that he “found a flaw” in his philosophy, “Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief,...”.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Margaret
Thanks for taking my call today Craig.
I love the show and feel sort of relieved to have shared my opinion on the automotive industry today.
I was so nervous to talk on the air though.
Friday, November 7, 2008 by Aimee Lee